Scripture for Your Inner Outcasts

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Speaker 1: I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed for us.

Speaker 2: Welcome back to Scripture for your inner outcasts. It's July 12th, 2026, the 15th Sunday in Ordinary Time. Today is a special Sunday edition in which Doctor Peter Malinoski and doctor Jerry Creed jointly reflect on the mass readings from today.

Speaker 1: We are together again in what a good thing it is. This is the 15th Sunday in Ordinary Time. Doctor Jerry. So good to be with you. It's lovely to be here.

Speaker 3: Great to be with you too.

Speaker 1: And great to be with all of you. All in our listening audience. Maybe you're listening to this as you're driving into church, or maybe you're listening as you're coming home or in some other part of your routine. So good to be with all of you and with all of your parts. All your parts are welcome. And I wanted to kind of talk about a verse in here that I think could be really hard for some of our exiles. And it's from the second reading, Romans eight, verse 18, where Saint Paul says, brothers and sisters, I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed for us. You know, I just sometimes think about kind of what you were talking about last week of exiles not being seen, not being heard, not being understood, their experience not registering with other people, and yet they're going through great suffering. And a line like this where it says, I consider the sufferings of this present time are as nothing, because a lot of times our exiles are holding the suffering and our spiritual managers are unaware of it. They're just not even in touch with the level of suffering. And so I could imagine this line landing hard with some of our exiles.

Speaker 4: Oh, I see what you're saying and where it would feel like it's dismissing their pain. Yeah, yeah. But you know what was jumping out at me in this was in same in Romans where, where Paul says all creation is groaning, groaning in labor pains. You know, waiting for something. And I think that groaning is, you know, our deepest, most wounded parts are our exiles, especially, who are groaning. And so I think there is an acknowledgment of that pain. And and instead, like, maybe for our parts that are listening, that may have felt like what you're saying, like it's being dismissed, maybe what they they need to hear here is that, yeah, it is bad. And it is like labor pains, like, you know, other than my kidney stone, I understand. A gunshot wound or labor pains are the worst kind of pain you can have. And so, you know, they've been waiting so long and such terrible pain. And Paul's trying to say, I know, but but it's going to be so much better. Right?

Speaker 1: Well, that's the next line, right? He's because he's not saying that the sufferings of the present time are as nothing in an absolute sense. He's bringing it only into a relative sense. Right. Compared with the glory to be revealed for us. So that glory must be amazing.

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 4: So, I mean, I think that there's, there's a lot of hope here for exiles. I don't know if we want to like, just take a minute to look at the seeds and the parable of the sower, because that's mentioned here also.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And I thought of you actually with one particular line. Can I tell you, can I like Jerry because I've never thought of it this way before. But for those of you listeners who may be new to souls and hearts are new to this program. Doctor Jerry is all about the heart. And that's such a huge thing. I mean, even we even named, you know, our outreach Souls and Hearts, right? Because so often we talk about souls right in the church. And that certainly makes sense. But I think we don't give enough emphasis to the heart in here. It says in the gospel, hear then the parable of the sower. The seed sown on the path is the one who hears the word of the kingdom without understanding it. And the evil one comes and steals away what was sown in his heart. Right? So the word is being sown. The seed is being sown in our hearts.

Speaker 3: Mhm.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 1: And that's where our hearts are. I mean, along with our innermost self. So I was just making the connection for the very first time that where the seed is landing is in our hearts.

Speaker 4: Yeah. I wonder though here too, listening to this parable that our exiles assume that the. The seed that lands on the rocky soil is them.

Speaker 3: And.

Speaker 4: You know, and it would be another way of being put off and realize it's hopeless for me. I'm going to be the one that, you know, the birds are just going to eat them or it's going to get crushed or whatever. But I think the exiles need to hear this. The seed sown on rich soil, the rich soil, like you're saying of the heart. But the passage says a rich soil is the one who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and yields a hundred or 60 or 30 fold. So it's an invitation to our exiles to to listen to the word and realize it's it's speaking to them and that it will there. And if they're if they're open, which I know it's a step, it's a step the exile might have to make. That can be very hard. But if they're open, they will bear so much fruit and the Lord is calling them to that. So it's a beautiful again, a hopeful message.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Absolutely. To know that that we have this opportunity to prepare our hearts. And I'm thinking about that rocky soil. You know, I'm thinking about some parts maybe really closed to the word and be like rocks and other parts of us might be more open to the word, you know, or to the seed. And like, how can we how can we soften inside? How can we be receptive to the word across all of our parts? No part left behind, all parts kind of together so that there is a, um, a richness in the soil, right? And this starts at a human level, right? Grace perfects nature. It does not destroy it, Saint Thomas tells us. And so, you know, so there's all kinds of natural elements here in this earthiness of the soil. In fact, we were originally made from clay. We were made from soil, right? So there's this kind of actually harkening back to our, origins in Genesis, right. Of of being of the soil.

Speaker 4: Well, yeah. And I mean, I might be going beyond the passages here, but, you know, so many of the saints speak of the, the heart as the ground of the heart or the ground of the soul. And they, they use that imagery quite a bit, which then means that even if the condition of your soul right now is thorny parts and rocky parts, we have this opportunity to allow God in and to water and pull out the weeds and to, you know, till that soil and, and, you know, enrich it and, and, and to have this beautiful garden basically inside of us. So, I mean, there's a hope. There's still a hope in all this. I mean, there's a warning in this parable, but there's this incredible hope for us.

Speaker 1: Well, and so just a message to all of our parts that this is an invitation to share in this receptivity to the seed, to the word, to basically our Lord Jesus Christ, you know, to to allow him not only into our souls, but also into our hearts. So this is more than just loving Jesus with acts of the will. He's wanting all of us right to love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart. Actually leads with the heart. And it's not just single faculty loving, just loving with the will. You know, we're just going to make acts of love with our will. He wants all of us. All our heart, all our soul, all our mind, all our strength, you know. And so that's going to include all of these things that our parts are and have, right? Like a harmony about all of it. And so we can't do that without all of our parts being included. And so if there are manager parts here or firefighter parts here that think, well, these parts shouldn't be included in the loving, these parts need to be banished. These parts need to be, you know, silenced. They need to be to be exiled. Well, can we rethink that? You know, can we consider bringing these other parts to have a place at the table, even if they look like lepers, or even if they look like the lame or the blind or lost sheep?

Speaker 4: I love it. Maybe to close, like Isaiah says, my word shall not return to me void. Again, another message of hope that we can trust in him. That what he's what he's sending into our the soil of our hearts is going to return. It is going to be fruitful.

Speaker 2: For more content from both doctor Jerry and Doctor Peter, check out the links in the description of today's show.

Speaker 1: Well, with that, let's draw this to a close by invoking our patroness and our patrons, Our Lady, our mother. Untier of knots.

Speaker 4: Pray for us.

Speaker 1: Saint Joseph, pray for us. Saint John the Baptist.

Speaker 4: Pray for us.